Friday, March 31, 2006

Cause or Effect?

Given the reprehensible behavior of Prime-Minister-For-Life John Howard who has fostered a climate of division and discrimination, nothing that follows is a surprise.

Several media outlets are reporting on a study coming out of the Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society at La Trobe University on Depression among Australian Gays and Lesbians. Anyone care to guess what the study tells us? From The Sydney Morning Herald:

Homophobia is alive and well in Australia and linked to startling levels of depression among gays and lesbians, according to a study to be released today.

Does anyone want to bet on how quickly a religious or conservative group takes this data and spins that depression is caused by being gay or lesbian and is part of its alleged "pathology" rather than the effect of society's treatment of gays and lesbians?

Talk about a sucker bet.

The scale of the study is impressive; it is being touted as one of the largest studies of its kind:

The study canvassed 5500 gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people. Almost three-quarters reported past depression and nearly half reported at least one sign of a major depressive episode.

[Snip]

Suicidal thoughts were found to be higher than among heterosexuals - about 16 per cent in gay men compared with 10 per cent of heterosexual men.

"All of the smaller studies have indicated high rates of depression," said Anne Mitchell, director of Gay and Lesbian Health Victoria and one of the study's authors. "But this was higher than we suspected. We went back to check the data twice to make sure we didn't make a mistake -- it was so striking."

Mitchell said depression is much less significant in older homosexuals, presumably because as they age they find people they feel comfortable with and supportive relationships.

I'm looking forward to reviewing the study itself, but the site is not live and it does not seem to have been released yet. I'm just a little suspicious about the timing of the release, but I will wait for the report to appear before I comment on the data.

To gays and lesbians living in nominally free but hostile societies like Australia and the United States, the only surprise in these findings is that they are not higher. In both countries the rights of gays and lesbians and their families have been used as wedge issues for partisan political purposes. The natural side effects of this use are rises in discrimination and hate crimes.

“Cause and effect, means and ends, seed and fruit cannot be severed; for the effect already blooms in the cause, the end preexists in the means, the fruit in the seed”

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Thursday, March 30, 2006

Connecticut Cat Kicks Mr Bigglesworth's Bald Butt

I tried really hard to avoid posting this. I failed. Sorry.

FAIRFIELD, Conn. --Residents of the neighborhood of Sunset Circle say they have been terrorized by a crazy cat named Lewis. Lewis for his part has been uniquely cited, personally issued a restraining order by the town's animal control officer.

A crazy cat can be restrained but Ann Coulter, the homophobic, pro-assassination, Deadhead polemicist still roams free. Mr Bigglesworth is not amused.

Gaze upon the true face of Feline Evil

"He looks like Felix the Cat and has six toes on each foot, each with a long claw," Janet Kettman, a neighbor said Monday. "They are formidable weapons."

The neighbors said those weapons, along with catlike stealth, have allowed Lewis to attack at least a half dozen people and ambush the Avon lady as she was getting out of her car.

Land sakes. A cat with cat-like stealth. And in our life times. Quick, call Guinness!

Some of those who were bitten and scratched ended up seeking treatment at area hospitals. Animal Control Officer Rachel Solveira placed a restraining order on him. It was the first time such an action was taken against a cat in Fairfield.

In effect, Lewis is under house arrest, forbidden to leave his home.

Solveira also arrested the cat's owner, Ruth Cisero, charging her with failing to comply with the restraining order and reckless endangerment.

To see the shock and media frenzy about a cat being, well, a cat, peruse some of the coverage.

Power in a Comma

I walked away from religion many years ago and my apostasy has lasted so long that I'm very comfortable with it.

That said, I have enormous respect for congregations and religious leaders who take pains to understand and live the human values of their religions.

Take the United Church of Christ as an example. Their message of "extravagant welcome" to all people is the model of what I was taught "Christian" is supposed to mean. A quote I hear them use frequently has a powerful message:


"Never place a period where God has placed a comma."
- Gracie Allen

The UCC is so extravagant in their welcome that they run in-your-face advertisements that point out where they think religions get off the path. Last year it was a "Bouncer" ad where would-be church-goers, including a gay couple, are rejected in the same way groovy night clubs select their patrons.

The latest effort from the UCC is their "Ejector" advertisement that shows an African-American mother and child, a gay couple, and other elderly, disabled and ethnic people being ejected from their church pews by a figure pushing buttons in the shadows.

It's good to see communities of faith talking about fairness and equality. But I am given to wonder why.

Did someone sit down and take a segment based approach to the religion market? Did they isolate an un-served segment in the market that has specific needs and build very astute value propositions and messaging that talks to the needs of that segment?

Or did they just do it because it's the right thing to do?

Murder of Crows

A tangled murder of crows fell to the road nearby.
Three of them had set upon a fourth.
It rolled on the ground and flapped it's wings.
It tried to avoid the stabbing beaks.
It tried to deflect the raking claws.
Eventually it's struggling and resistance lessened.
I thought it was gone.
The crows stopped fighting and flew away as a car passed.
Even the hurt one.


This scene has been coming back to me since I saw it on the weekend. I think I understand.

I wanted to stop it. He Who Must Be Obeyed warned me. "They'll turn on you", he said.

This is what happens when the majority can set upon the minority. And if you try and stop the majority, they can turn on you next. This is what people are for if they sign Tim Eyman's Referendum 65 and other "preferential treatement" initiative petitions.

Murder of Crows = Discrimination of Gays

That's why this bothers me so much. It's not simply wrong. It is monstrously wrong and cruelly unfair.

Sunday, March 26, 2006

The Emerging Blogger Elite

One of the great attractions I have to the blogosphere is that it is a free and open marketplace of ideas, style and substance. The blogosphere is a place where every voice can and will be heard by someone.

The democracy of that notion is compelling.

Alas, I am reliably informed that the world is divided into "Serious Bloggers" and "everyone else".

Let me enlighten you.

At a recent real-time interaction with several political bloggers I heard some bar room bragging of the mine-is-bigger-than-yours (readership) kind, and some very superior commentary on what is and is not a "real blog".

Apparently after the blog revolution there are suddenly rules and a new class structure. Who knew?

I learned that one shouldn't attempt to cover too many subjects, too much geography or have animal or personal obsession photos in your blog. There is a powerful disdain for such dilettantes and a crushing certainty that they will be the first against the wall when the next revolution comes.

I don't know that I've mentioned it, but in my day job I do research and planning. By strange coincidence, I do research on the internet and it's uses and so do many of my colleagues. Here's what the ethnographic and other research I have access to shows about blog authoring and readership.

Only 37% of people on the internet are blogging and most people don't recognize the term or realize they are doing the activity.

Most of the people blogging are either reading or writing personal journals.

  • The top type of blog being written is Personal Journals at about 60%
  • The top type of blog being read is Personal Journals at about 33%

Quantitatively, Personal Journal writing and readership outstrips any other kind of blog. Politics is important, sure, but people are much more interested in other people.

A few qualitative observations from people whose blogs I enjoy:

  • Andrew Sullivan includes personal updates on his health, travels and photos of his basset hound with his political musings.
  • Anonymous Lefty includes personal journal entries and cute kitten photos with his political rants and recently won Best New South Wales blog in the Australian Blog awards.
  • John Aravosis includes some personal rants with his political observations, photographs of French cats he was visiting in Paris and his regular orchid blogging jags (I won't mention Sci-Fi Fridays and his unhealthy obsession with the tasty English muffin that is Jamie Bamber)

If these guys aren't following the rules, why should anyone else?

My blog probably has a half dozen readers, I'm not really sure as I don't pay close enough attention. I talk about politics and food and anything else that crosses my mind or yanks my chain. According to these luminaries, I don't rate in the new blogger class structure.

But then again, so what? I'm not running after readers, I'm not keen to break into politics, and I'm not looking to parlay blogging into a writing career.

If the blogosphere is so uniformly narcissistic and grasping that we are all motivated by and chasing the same things, then it becomes a much less interesting place to spend time.

Death Squads Kill Gays in Iraq

I am always looking for different perspectives on human rights. When I want to understand what is happening to gays and lesbian elsewhere in the world, I head over to Doug Ireland's blog. He has a piece he wrote for New York's Gay City News on the horror that faces gays in post-Saddam Iraq:

Following a death-to-gays fatwa issued last October by Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, death squads of the Badr Corps have been systematically targeting gay Iraqis for persecution and execution, gay Iraqis say. But when they ask for help and protection from U.S. occupying authorities in the Green Zone, the secure area officialdom has carved out within Baghdad, gays Iraqis are met with indifference and derision.

"The Badr Corps is committed to the "sexual cleansing" of Iraq," says Ali Hili, a 33-year-old gay Iraqi exile in London who, with some 30 other gay Iraqis who have fled to the United Kingdom, five months ago founded the Abu Nawas Group there to support persecuted gay Iraqis (Abu Nawas -- right -- was a great 8th century classical poet of Arab and Persian descent who is known throughout Middle East cultures, and is famous for his poems in praise of same-sex love.)

Having just read and posted on the Amnesty International report entitled "Stonewalled -still demanding respect" which details police abuses against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in the United States, I don't find the behavior of US Forces at all surprising.
Said Hili, "We believe that the Badr Corps is receiving advice from Iran on how to target gay people." In the Islamic Republic of Iran, the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been carrying out a lethal anti-gay pogrom against Iranian gays, notably through entrapment by Internet -- and this tactic has recently begun to be used by the Badr Corps in Iraq to identify and hunt down Iraqi gays.
You know that when the Bush Administration communicates it's first set of reasons to attack Iran, protecting the lives of gay Iranians certainly won't be on the list.
The Ayatollah Sistani, the 77-year-old Iranian-born cleric who is the supreme Shia authority in Iraq, is revered by SCIRI as its spiritual leader. His anti-gay fatwa (available on Sistani's official website) says that "people involved" in homosexuality "should be killed in the worst, most severe way of killing."
It's surprising to me that Doug didn't link to the fatwa (opinion) on Sistani's web site. I went looking and initially I couldn't find it either. Perhaps it wasn't translated into the English version of the Ayatollah's site. There is considerable discussion in the blogosphere about whether Sistani issued any fatwa or incited any anti-gay violence. However, there is no argument that he believes having homosexual relations should be made a capital crime.

I did find this translation that Doug points to in his comments section:
Q: What is the judgemen on sodomy and lesbianism?

A: "Forbidden. Those involved in the act should be punished. In fact, sodomites should be killed in the worst manner possible."

That seems pretty clear. I'd like to see some blogger and mainstream press follow-up on this.

I don't like guns - Part II

One of several spontaneous memorials near the site of the tragedy.

From the Seattle Times today:

Tragedy on Capitol Hill: 7 dead after rampage

"After partying peacefully all night with young people he'd met at a nearby rave, the heavyset man left an east Capitol Hill home around 7 a.m. He returned minutes later, draped in ammunition belts and armed with a 12-gauge shotgun and a semiautomatic pistol."

We had friends over for dinner on Friday night and were cleaning up until fairly late. It was a long day and we both went to bed bone tired.

"His first victim was gunned down on the front steps, the second on the porch. Pandemonium broke out as partygoers dived out windows while others tried to hold the front door shut in the face of a fusillade of shotgun blasts. He killed six young people Saturday morning before turning the shotgun on himself as a police officer confronted him. Two others were hospitalized with gunshot wounds.

We live near E Republican on Capitol Hill and we didn't hear a thing. Not the gunshots. Not the sirens.

Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske described the man as "quiet and humble" but knew little else about a mass killer whose crime is among the worst in Seattle history, eclipsed only by the 1983 Wah Mee Massacre that left 13 dead.

When something terrible happens anywhere in the United States I get a worried phone call from my Mum. By now this story is hitting major media everywhere including the Sydney and Melbourne papers. It's always better to call before she hears news like this.

I'm considering lying about how close the shootings were to our home.

The killer remained an enigma Saturday night. The one message he left behind: the word "NOW" spray-painted on sidewalks and the steps of a home nearby.
"We have no idea what that means or what significance it has," the chief said.

Meanwhile, there continue to be small gatherings near the scene. Shocked neighbors talk in low tones about what they saw or heard, and distraught friends stand near the street side memorials grasping to understand what happened and why.

I don't like guns.

I don't like guns - Part I

I'd never fired one until I was in my late teens. The first time I did, it was in a group of late teen-aged guys on a holiday. We were on a property in the country that had a terrible problem with kangaroos. They were eating the crops down to tiny stubs in the dirt.

We went out to reduce the 'roo population by a few as a courtesy to our hosts. It was a .22 rifle which was fairly common in the country back then. We found the 'roos easily enough and turns were taken with the gun. When my turn came, I took aim at one particular kangaroo that was at the edge of a rocky outcrop scattered with stringy gum trees.

I took aim, pulled the trigger, and it fell.

I don't like guns.

Saturday, March 25, 2006

U.S. Police, Political Opportunist and Theocratic Savant find Common Cause

No wonder there has been such a to-do about Washington State adding "sexual orientation" to the state's anti-discrimination legislation (HB2661). A recent Amnesty International report details widespread homophobia, discrimination and instances of torture by American police officers against lesbian, gay, and transgendered residents and citizens.

Tim Eyman and the Reverend Ken Hutcherson want to know:

If the police can do it, why can't everyone else?

From 365gay.com:
The report says that thousands of LGBT people across the country are victims of a system that fuels discrimination and facilitates torture, ill-treatment and impunity.

The report "Stonewalled – Still demanding respect" is based on interviews conducted by Amnesty International between 2003 and 2005 with members of the LGBT community, victims of gender-based violence, survivors of police abuse, activists, lawyers and law enforcement officials across the US.

“The interviews reveal a very clear and worrying pattern. Cases of beatings, sexual violence, verbal abuse, harassment and humiliation by law enforcement officials against LGBT people take place on any given day in detention centers, prisons, in the home, and on the street,” said Amnesty in a media statement accompanying the report.
As the recent initiative and referendum campaigns by political parasite Tim Eyman show, GLBT people are still suffering under willful ignorance and institutionalized homophobia in Washington State. We can't be surprised when the law enforcement agencies whose charge it is to uphold the law and protect GLBT people, behave the same way.

Despite the significant progress over recent decades in the recognition of LGBT rights in the US, persistent discriminatory attitudes have created a situation in which abuse of LGBT people is frequently dismissed as "normal" the report said.

Victims often do not report police brutality and other crimes against them, said Amnesty, because they fear hostile or abusive response from the police and because, as they know, many reported abuses are not properly and impartially investigated.

"There are still some discriminatory laws; but the bigger problem is the discriminatory way in which many laws are applied, which often results in the arrest and detention of individuals just because of their sexual orientation or gender identity," the report said.
It is a cornerstone of Reverend Ken Hutcherson's anti-rights rhetoric that the supposedly small number of "sexual orientation" discrimination cases prove that discrimination protection isn't needed. We know that isn't true. The Amnesty International report makes something else very plain; crimes and discrimination against GLBT people are dramatically under-reported.

In the world that Eyman and Hutcherson hope to perpetuate, GLBT people are discriminated against by police, employers, and landlords with impunity.

Don't let that world continue - refuse to sign Referendum 65.

Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Iraq: Three years down, at least three more to go

President Bush is taking yet another swing at convincing the American public his policies in Iraq (bad planning and incompetent execution) are working and the US needs to stay the course.

However, when questioned at his March 21st press conference, Mr. Bush managed to admit what experts have been saying all along. From The Mercury News:

Asked at a White House news conference whether there'll come a time when no U.S. forces are in Iraq, he said "that will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq." Pressed on that response, the president said that for him to discuss complete withdrawal would mean he was setting a timetable, which he refuses to do.

Yup, handing the buck to the next president sounds like a plan alright.
The president also was asked to respond to a weekend opinion column by retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who called on Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign, charging that he's "incompetent" and has mismanaged the war in Iraq.

"I think he's done a fine job," Bush said, adding that U.S. military tactics have changed in Iraq to deal with changing circumstances, a tacit admission that earlier occupation policies had failed.

If there is incompetence and failed policies that must mean it's time to hand out some more medals. Well, it's either that or invade another country... lets say Iran.
  • How safe will the United States be we be after another three years of military engagement in Iraq?
  • How large will the budget deficit be after another three years of military engagement in Iraq?

Sunday, March 19, 2006

"Oh, we got trouble..." - Deconstructing Eyman's role as Professor Harold Hill

On Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, Tim Eyman wrote a guest column for The Seattle Times. I decided to take a chance on a brain aneurism and read the whole thing. Several times. And though I'm somewhat surprised to say it, I'm not mad. And evidently neither is he.

Let me explain.

Like Professor Harold Hill in "The Music Man", he makes his case by creating groundless fear and hysteria with a populist mix of truth, lies and sleight of hand, and by playing on the basic good nature of people in the community.

In "The Music Man", Professor Hill turned the presence of a pool hall in a community into a direct threat of chaos and anarchy requiring the immediate creation of a school band to offset its evil effects.

In Washington State, Mr. Eyman is turning the inclusion of "sexual orientation" in a long standing and benign anti-discrimination law into an attack of political arrogance on the part of our legislature, and the beginning of a slippery slope decline into chaos and anarchy. Only this time, the cure is to have the voters in the community engage directly to decide on this important issue and, as a pleasant side effect, pump money into his salary fund.

I think it's worth some effort to look at Mr. Eyman's approach in this guest column more closely:

For nearly a decade, we've been consistent: Significant public policy decisions should be made by the voters. Whether it was a public vote on the sports stadiums, $30 vehicle tabs, performance audits, caps on property-tax increases, or a smaller King County Council, we've believed that voters, and not politicians, make better decisions. And whatever the result of the vote, the citizenry more readily accepts the ultimate decision when it is made by the voters.

Note: Underlining is my emphasis and not the original author's.
It never hurts your cause to start out by telling people how essential they are to the policy making process, and that government in this state would come to a halt without them. And it's wise to tell voters that they really only need to engage on the big issues, the really important things.

What does qualify something as a "significant policy decision" requiring the direct engagement of the voters?

By a strange coincidence, they are the ones that Mr. Eyman and his crew choose, and quite serendipitously, can turn a buck on. There is a phase for this kind of scam, it's called "Double-dipping". It's when you get people to pay for the same thing twice. The first time is when the voters pay their elected representatives to legislate for us, and be accountable to us. The second time is when the people pay Messrs. Eyman, Fagan and Fagan for proposing legislation for which, win, lose or draw, none of them are accountable to anyone.

Follow up by telling the voters how much smarter they are than the politicians, and how much better the decisions they make are as a result. That’s as may be, but I like to believe that people, both voters and politicians are, by their nature, good, and that they want to do "the right thing". It is always easier to believe in that goodness when policy advocacy, by the legislature or by the voters, is done in the full light of day. In that respect Mr. Eyman skates close to the truth but ultimately misses the mark.

Unfortunately, history is filled with instances where good people are convinced that terrible ideas are "the right thing". Mr. Eyman continues:


Everyone agrees that House Bill 2661 is a significant, impactful public-policy decision. It takes a term that most of us are somewhat familiar with, "sexual orientation," and defines it in a unique way. Here's the definition as written in the bill: " 'Sexual orientation' means heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and gender expression or identity. As used in this definition, 'gender expression or identity' means having or being perceived as having a gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression, whether or not that gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression is different from that traditionally associated with the sex assigned to that person at birth."
Next, you have to really convince people that the wool is being pulled over their eyes and that they are hillbilly rubes if they don't see it. "This anti-discrimination bill thing is really important. It will have a big affect on our community," Mr. Eyman is saying, "and the arrogant politicians are changing the definitions of words for some evil and nefarious purpose of their own."

Really. First, stating that "everyone agrees" the bill is "significant and impactful" without actually explaining what it does and doesn't do and who it really impacts is intended to inspire fear of the unknown. And if you are trying to make a high-minded point about people playing games with words and definitions, I suggest you avoid using words like “impactful” that do not appear in any mainstream dictionaries. Gracious, it’s almost as though Mr. Eyman is seeking to bamboozle people by obfuscating the truth.

In reality, there are exactly two groups of people who are affected by this bill:


  1. People who are unfairly denied employment, housing, insurance, and other public accommodations because of their real or perceived sexual orientation.

  2. People who unfairly deny employment, housing, insurance, and other public accommodations on the basis of someone's real or perceived sexual orientation.
Unless voters fall into one of these two groups, this bill has no material effect on their lives at all. People who unfairly discriminate in Washington State are a minority, but they do exist. And it’s for this reason that HB2661 protects every single person in Washington State regardless of their sexual orientation.

That includes a straight man applying for a job when the person making the hiring decision is gay, as well as a lesbian applying for housing when the landlord is a straight woman.

Given the Reverend Ken Hutcherson’s recent false claim that the only “proven” case of discrimination based on sexual orientation was against a heterosexual man, I would expect straight people, and the Reverend himself, to be dancing for joy in the streets at the protection that HB2661 provides them*.

* Hutch. Dancing. Hearty apologies for that hard to banish visual.

And according to the dictionary definitions that I perused, the bill's definition of sexual orientation is pretty much text-book. Additionally, Wikipedia makes the observation that:


"The term sexual orientation may also refer to the "identity" of a person, either by choice or as an expression of an inner attribute."
If Wikipedia, the open source encyclopedia that is authored and critiqued by the internet community, defines "sexual orientation" the same way as it is defined in HB2661, then I think Mr. Eyman’s claims that it has been redefined in a "unique way" are clearly proven false. Mr. Eyman continues:


During floor debate on the bill, Colfax Rep. Don Cox said it well, describing the bill as "ill-defined" and open to many interpretations. "We limit liberty when we ask citizens to interpret one another's sexual orientation, gender expression or gender identity," Cox said. "In the push and pull of life, sexual orientation is not apparent and is difficult to determine. Please consider the possibilities for misinterpretation in the daily exercise of commerce, housing, employment, public accommodation, real estate, credit, or insurance."

He said the bill creates the possibility that responsible citizens could put themselves at risk of "accusation, investigation, findings of discrimination and penalties without intentional wrongdoing." Laws that put citizens on the defensive against accusations could be "an incubator for an atmosphere of protectiveness rather than openness," he said.
There are already a slew of classes that have been protected for years under this same anti-discrimination legislation. In many cases it’s impossible to tell by looking at people whether they are a member of one of these existing classes either.

Where is the body of case law that proves there is already a problem with interpreting whether someone is in a protected class or not? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? No citations and no proof.

Here is the language from HB2661 showing all the other groups that are already protected under our existing anti-discrimination law in bold:



The legislature hereby finds and declares that practices of discrimination against any of its inhabitants because of race, creed, color, national origin, families with children, sex, marital status, sexual orientation, age, or the presence of any sensory, mental, or physical disability or the use of a trained
dog guide or service animal by a disabled person
are a matter of state concern, that such discrimination threatens not only the rights and proper privileges of its inhabitants but menaces the institutions and foundation of a free democratic state.

Let’s try substituting the groups in bold into Rep. Cox’s statement and see how they fare:


"We limit liberty when we ask citizens to interpret one another's race, creed, color, national origin, families with children, sex, marital status, sexual orientation, age,
or the presence of any sensory, mental, or physical disability or the use of a trained dog guide or service animal by a disabled person,”
There is no limitation of liberty here; in fact there is an assurance of liberty for people in these groups. Is there any resident of Washington State who deserves less than this? When viewed in the clear sunlight of comparison, the position of Rep. Cox and Mr. Eyman is taken with little critical thought and is discriminatory and divisive.


No state in the nation has a law written this way. If we're going to be a guinea pig for experimental legislation like HB 2661, it's important for there to be a thorough debate and discussion. The consequences of this bill, both intended and unintended, need to be examined and probed.
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, the Three Horsemen of the Apocryphal ride again. This legislation is not even vaguely experimental. It is exactly the same legislation that has existed for years in this state to protect other groups from unfair discrimination. Why then, I wonder, is it suddenly toxic, dangerous, and experimental?

The statement that “No state in the nation has a law written this way” may be accurate, I’m sure no two laws in this country are written exactly alike; but it has the dubious virtue of hiding the truth as well.

It’s the truth that the vast majority of cities, counties, municipalities, and states in this country have anti-discrimination laws on their books. It’s the truth that many of those cities, counties, and municipalities also include sexual orientation in those anti-discrimination laws today, including Washington State’s own King County. It’s also the truth that several states, including Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont, already have sexual orientation, much as we have defined it, included in their statewide anti-discrimination legislation.

The consequences of this bill adding sexual orientation will be no greater than those we saw when we added religion or national origin to our anti-discrimination law. Religion and national origin are as hard to interpret as sexual orientation. In fact, I would contend that they are even harder. If pressed, I can quite often guess the sexual orientation of a man or woman I meet, but I can rarely, if ever guess their religion or their country of origin with any accuracy. It makes life simpler not to even try.

I think it is telling that in our society there is such a thing as Gay-dar, but there is no God-dar, or Origin-dar.

The column continues:
We've called our campaign "Let The Voters Decide."

In recent weeks, supporters of HB 2661 have said that having a public vote on this topic is inappropriate. Their view is not consistent. In 1997, these same folks pushed this same policy as an initiative, I-677. Back then, they felt it perfectly appropriate for the voters to have the final say. They raised and spent big bucks trying to persuade voters to support I-677. But the voters overwhelmingly rejected it. So their recent objections to a public vote only materialized after they learned that the voters were against their agenda. Hypocrisy is not unique in politics but it should be recognized and identified.

Some have questioned our motivation on this issue. Again, we've been consistent. The first initiative I ever co-sponsored was Initiative 200, the "Washington Civil Rights Initiative," overwhelmingly approved by voters in 1998. It made it illegal for state and local governments to grant preferential treatment to anyone based on what group they belonged to.
Mr. Eyman makes a fair point here. The campaign around I-677 was a direct appeal to Washington State voters to add sexual orientation to existing anti-discrimination law and it did fail. However, I don’t know, as Mr. Eyman seems to with such comfortable certainty, that the people who rolled and lost on I-667 then are the same people saying that a “public vote on this topic is inappropriate” today. It was, after all, nine years ago.

I had no engagement in the I-677 campaign, but I have long believed that any system where a popular majority decides on minority rights is inherently flawed and naturally predisposed to oppressing minorities. There is a good argument to be made that the modern civil rights movement was born to counter the trend that Mr. Eyman is now evangelizing with such self-interested zeal.

Mr. Eyman’s true motivation in any initiative campaign is the financial reward he and his associates gain, and certainly not the fatally distorted parody of justice he proposes as his consistent goal. He continues:



HB 2661 violates this principle. I-200 said no to government-imposed preferences based on race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin. "Let The Voters Decide" gives voters the opportunity to reaffirm their support for this no-preference policy and add another group to the list that shouldn't get preferential treatment by government.

If we're successful at getting enough signatures to put this policy before the voters this fall, we'll debate whether this policy is counterproductive.

To me, it is. Government-imposed preferential treatment will only enhance suspicion and conflict between our citizens exactly as described earlier by Rep. Cox. When the classroom teacher treats Johnny special, the other kids end up not liking Johnny. When government gets involved, it usually makes things worse. This is especially true when it comes to social issues. Better for the government to stay out of it.
HB2661 doesn’t contain any preferential treatment for any of the classes it includes. And if, as Mr. Eyman maintains, I-200 really was the voters saying no to “preferential treatment” on the grounds of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin, then why hasn’t he followed through and proposed an initiative to roll back the pre-existing anti-discrimination protections for race, sex, color, or national origin?

Why is Mr. Eyman only focusing on rolling back the newly added anti-discrimination protection for sexual orientation? Sauce for the goose, Mr. Eyman, is also sauce for the gander.

The answer is because he can, and no one will call him on his own hypocrisy. He believes, as Professor Hill does, that the public will not only let him, but pay him handsomely for the privilege.

Mr. Eyman raises the bewildering example of a teacher who treats Johnny as “special” resulting in the other kids “not liking” him. He maintains that government involvement makes things worse. If we are still talking about HB2661, and it is hard to be sure with Mr. Eyman’s singular non-sequitur style, it’s clear that HB2661 has no relevance to his example at all since it only covers “discrimination in employment, in credit and insurance, transactions, in places of public resort, accommodation, or amusement, and in real property transactions...”

The column goes on:
Besides, our citizenry doesn't support same-sex marriage, something the courts will impose if HB 2661 stands. It's exactly what's happening in other states, most recently Maryland and Massachusetts.

For this reason and others explained above, this bill is a Pandora's box that Olympia opened but voters should have the chance to close.

This is a big decision and both sides deserve the chance to express their opinion without intimidation or fear of retaliation. Name-calling shows a lack of confidence in your position. I have faith in the voters. Each of us will decide what we
think is best for our state, using our own values, background and beliefs as our
guide. And when the dust settles, the voters will decide.
Another non-sequitur. The anti-discrimination law that Mr. Eyman speaks about in this column has absolutely no connection to the issue of same-sex marriage.

Despite this fact, there are amendments in HB2661 that make it abundantly clear that passage of this bill in no way supports same-sex marriage or preferential quotas. This for example:
“Inclusion of sexual orientation in this chapter does not create any precedent, basis, or right to same-sex marriage. This chapter shall not be construed to create any precedent, basis, or right to same-sex marriage."

EFFECT: States that the inclusion of sexual orientation among the bases for prohibiting discrimination under the Law Against Discrimination does not create any precedent, basis, or right to same-sex marriage, and that the law must not be construed as creating any precedent, basis, or right to same-sex marriage.
And this:
"Inclusion of sexual orientation in this chapter shall not be construed to modify or supersede state law relating to marriage."

EFFECT: Strikes the amendment and instead adds a statement to the Law Against Discrimination that inclusion of sexual orientation shall not be construed to modify or supersede state law relating to marriage.
And these:
“This chapter shall not be construed to endorse any specific belief, practice, behavior, or orientation. Inclusion of sexual orientation in this chapter shall not be construed to modify or supersede state law relating to marriage.”

PROVIDED, that this section shall not be construed to require an employer to establish employment goals or quotas based on sexual orientation.”
His other claim, that the courts will impose same-sex marriage on us if HB2661 stands, is a complete fiction. It is true that the Washington State Supreme court is due to rule in the near future on whether the state’s current Defense of Marriage Act is constitutional, but that ruling will happen regardless of whether HB2661 stands or falls.

Mr. Eyman can’t pass an opportunity to conflate the two issues and mislead voters into thinking that signing his initiatives opposing HB2661 will somehow prevent same-sex marriage.

It won’t.

The most amusing allusion in the column is to HB2661 as a Pandora’s Box that the politicians have opened and only the voters can close. If Mr. Eyman is trying to convince us that HB2661 will release “all the misfortunes of mankind like plague, sorrow, poverty, and crime”, he has no compelling legal grounds for making the case.

There’s an interesting coda to the story of Pandora that Mr. Eyman evidently doesn’t know. After Pandora had opened the box, she closed it again very quickly. She closed it just in time to keep one thing still inside. Hope. From Wikipedia:


“The world remained extremely bleak for an unspecified interval, until Pandora "chanced" to revisit the box again, at which point Hope fluttered out. Thus, mankind always has hope in times of evil, but Hope has a great deal of catching up to do.”
I think the initiative process itself is closer in spirit to the box in the story of Pandora’s Box. There have been so many unfortunate and unintended consequences from initiatives over the years.

I’m waiting for the box to open one last time, and for hope to escape and save us all.

Friday, March 17, 2006

St Patrick's Day


Happy Birthday to my brother P. I took this photo years ago because the green of the van appealed to me so much. Happy St. Patricks Day to one and all.

It's been a hard week...


...and this seems wholly appropriate.

Alternate Reality

If Australians had settled the United States...


Sadly, I think we could almost be in better shape if Steve Irwin was President. At least then there would be a chance of him being eaten by a bad tempered croc.

Largesse of an Imperial President

This week the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, visited Australia and, in celebration of that fact, a random synapse fired in the collective brain of the Bush Administration.

After 13 months with an empty chair in the U.S. Embassy in Canberra, they have finally decided that an important ally like Australia needs a new Ambassador from the United States.

How exciting for us.

The word is that Mr. Bush, whose hiring record could be described as less than stellar, considered many well heeled candidates including Republican Party donors and friends from the world of business. What is the price for a cushy ambassadorship these days, anyway?

Now we know.

Australia’s new Ambassador is Robert Davis McCallum Jr. who is currently Associate Attorney General at the Justice Department, a position he was also appointed to by Mr Bush, and a long time friend of the President. They attended Yale together and were both members the elite secret society known as Skull and Bones.


Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has put a good face on the appointment after a shamefully long period inaction from the Bush Administration. "It's obviously an advantage for us to have an ambassador here, as Tom Schieffer was, who's a close friend and associate of the President," the Foreign Minister said.

But what does this appointment really say to Australia?

To find the answer, let’s learn more about Robert Davis McCallum Jr.

After 13 months of consideration this is the very best that the Bush Administration can manage. Tell me, if Australia hadn’t been part of the “coalition of the willing” in Iraq and wasn’t such an important and valued ally of the United States, who would our new ambassador be?

Carrot Top?

Just writing about this man makes me want to take a shower and have full body exfoliation to feel clean again.

Unless the U.S. is planning to run some kind of black op to mess with Australian Democracy, I can’t imagine why this unethical, wrong-headed, school-tied, Bush crony and apologist should be forced on Australia.

No, wait, I can imagine. Mr. Bush has named at least nine other fellow Skull and Bones members to important positions (including SEC Chairman Bill Donaldson) so why shouldn’t we get one of them.

And then, of course, there was that embarrassingly empty chair.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006

Reality Smackdown

I think Jamie Raskin has it nailed.

He is professor of Constitutional Law at the American University's Washington College of Law and he testified on March 1, 2006 before the Maryland State Senate opposing a proposed anti-gay amendment that would stamp discrimination into that state's Constitution.

Senator Nancy Jacobs (R) posed this question at the end of his testimony:

"Mr. Raskin, my Bible says that marriage shall occur only between a man and a woman. What do you have to say about that?"
To which he succinctly responded:

"Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You didn't place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."
Please go and read his full testimony here. It's good. Hat tip to Andrew Sullivan and Wayne Besen.

Saturday, March 11, 2006

Can this be right?

I was reading a Seattle PI Editorial Board article entitled Civil Rights: Law, not dogma this morning and noticed the poll at the bottom of the page. It asked a question that I've raised previously regarding the idea of majority approval of minority civil rights:


If civil rights protections on the basis of race were put to a public vote, would they be upheld?
  • 33.2% - Yes
  • 17.3% - No
  • 46.7% - Depends on where the election was held
  • 2.8% - Don't know or care

Total Votes: 428

The sample and methodology don't pass scientific muster, but as a general indication of sentiment it's a wake up call.

Poisoning Pigeons in the Park

Despite yesterday's snow and the cold weather here in Seattle, Spring is definitely coming. And with Spring comes many seasonal happenings and rituals. While the superb musical satirist Tom Lehrer would have you think spring is primarily a time for poisoning small animals, there is so much more to look forward to.

The snowdrops are almost done, but there are clusters of happy crocuses, and early daffodils popping up in neighborhood garden beds, nature strips and lawns. But not all the rituals are pleasant ones. And, in reluctant agreement with Mr. Lehrer, we'll also renew our yearly battle with the Evil Mole Posse and the Gypsy Moth Gang.

Yesterday also saw the arrival of another seasonal phenomenon that we could well do without.

The arrival of the season's first Daffodil Stealing B*tch.

I wish I could be kinder, but people who steal spring flowers from gardens, nature strips, or neighborhood traffic circles after the long dark winters we endure in Seattle are among the lowest forms of life that ooze, crawl and undulate over the surface of this weary planet.

They will go to The Special Hell.

Identity Crisis

Being Australian and living in the United States can be confusing. Especially if you have even a vague awareness of politics.

Words like Liberal and Republican have completely different meanings and associations in each country. And the less that is said about the most dangerous of words, fanny, the better for us all.

So any Australian readers who are confused or alarmed by my link to The (liberal) Girl Next Door can refer to my simultaneous translation above and rest easy.

Shameless Promotion


Swing by and take a look at this new photo blog by a very talented guy who seems to be able to do just about anything he wants to.

I should know, we've been together for coming up on eight years and in a better world we'd be able to get married. Yes, this is a new project of He Who Must Be Obeyed.

Thursday, March 09, 2006

Hang up and drive

For the complete list of what did and didn't happen this legislative session check out this article in the Seattle Times. Among the things that did not get passed in the recently completed legislative session is something very dear to my curmudgeonly soul.

A measure to ban talking on a handheld cellphone while driving failed in the Washington State House.

This means we must all tolerate Washington's legendary bad driving that is made so much worse by the added distraction of some git juggling a cellphone and a latte and screaming at the children while talking complete and utter crap to someone who is not the least bit interested in anything they have to say and completely failing to notice that they have cut off, honked off, and p*ssed off just about everyone else on the road.

For pity's sake, it has been illegal to talk on a mobile phone in a moving vehicle in New South Wales since 1989.

When it comes to the staggeringly obvious, exactly how many decades behind the rest of the world does Washington State legislation have to be?

One thing that did get done this session was anti-discrimination protection for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents after a gruelling 29 year campaign.

By contrast, in my home state of New South Wales, the Anti-Discrimination Act prohibiting discrimination on the grounds of homosexuality in employment, accommodation, education, the provision of goods and services, and club membership or benefits was passed in 1977.

If I seem a mite annoyed at the likes of Hutch and Eyman from time to time, please remember that I've already been through this once before.

What's on Cat-TV?


This is new. Normally J isn't interested in food preparation and spends his awake time lolling in narrow through-ways in our home displaying his pink bits and attempting to trip the unwary.

Suddenly he is fascinated by the microwave. He isn't interested in the food and he won't eat anything but his regular kibbles. Is he picking up microwave communications on his whiskers, wishing for a Tin-foil hat, or wondering how to change the channel?

There are few things in life as engaging as a completely mesmerized cat.

Tuesday, March 07, 2006

Reverend Hutcherson: Liar or Bazootyhead?

I hope someone else is balancing the books at Antioch Bible Church, because the Reverend Hutcherson seems to have terrible problems with numbers.

During the Sims vs. Hutcherson debate at Town Hall on March 2nd, the Reverend threw out some figures from the Seattle Office for Civil Rights who are a source of discrimination complaint statistics. Before we get into the numbers, there are a few things to understand about the Seattle Office for Civil Rights and the statistics they keep:


  • The Seattle Office for Civil Rights is not a courtroom and getting to a verdict is not their goal - their goal is for complaints to be settled prior to investigation.
  • In 2005, 18% of all complaints were settled prior to being investigated.
  • In previous years, up to 33% of cases were settled prior to being investigated.
  • They track the number of cases opened and closed in each calendar year and complaints opened in one year may not be closed for several years.
  • In the majority of all discrimination cases they do investigate, they do not "find cause" for the complaint.
  • Some cases are filed citing multiple protected classes (e.g. both religion and national origin)

With that information on the source of the statistics, let's examine Hutch's claims in the debate:

Claims #1 & #2
Hutcherson stated that anti-discrimination protection on the basis of sexual orientation is not necessary based on the small number of complaints that are filed. He claimed that there had been only 8 discrimination complaints based on sexual orientation in 2005.

Wrong on both counts:
At the close of the 2005 calendar year there were 13 new complaints filed citing sexual orientation as a protected class, and 19 pre-existing complaints were closed that cited sexual orientation as a protected class.

Let's call it 32 actions on sexual discrimination complaints in 2005.

By comparison there were 2 or less* new complaints filed citing religion as a protected class, and 2 or less* pre-existing complaints were closed that cited religion as a protected class.

Let's call it a maximum of 4 actions on religious discrimination complaints in 2005.

* The Seattle Office for Civil Rights doesn't break out and track protected classes with less than 3 complaints per year in their reporting system. Instead they roll up every class with less than 3 complaints and report them in a single category called "Other".
If a small number of complaints really is a credible reason for refusing discrimination protection to a class, I expect to see classes like religion removed long before sexual orientation could be removed. The truth is that this kind of discrimination is wrong whether there is one complaint or one thousand.

It is the act of being discriminated against that validates a class as worthy of protection. Ironically, Reverend Hutcherson's participation in the debate opposing discrimination protection and equal rights based on sexual orientation are compelling evidence that the same protection and rights are essential and long overdue.

Claims #3 & #4
Hutcherson also alleged that of the 8 cases of sexual discrimination in 2005, only one of them was proven and that was a complaint of sexual discrimination made by a heterosexual.

Wrong and Wrong:
There were no complaints opened or closed in 2005 by heterosexuals claiming sexual discrimination. There was one such complaint back in 2003 that seems to be stuck in the Wayback Machine that is the Rev. Hutcherson's memory.

I tried to get a breakdown of the complaints closed in 2005 by closure type to determine how many were found to have cause, how many were found to have no cause, and how many were settled. Unfortunately, according to the staff at the Seattle Office for Civil Rights, that information isn't available from the statistics system they are using. Given that fact, I'm at a loss to understand what the source of Rev. Hutcherson's information could be.

Hutcherson also misled the audience when he talked about cases being proven or not. The Seattle Office for Civil Rights isn't a court and doesn't render verdicts. They just determine if there is cause or no cause for the complaint.

So given all this, the question still remains:

Is Hutcherson a liar or just a bazootyhead who is incapable of understanding numbers?

Based on my observations and analysis I can only conclude that he is both a bazootyhead and a liar.

Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Hutcherson vs. Sims

"Does debating people who are on the political and religious fringe legitimize them?"

That is the question a friend posed to me as we commuted between work and home one evening a few weeks ago. I didn't know the answer then, but I had the chance to speak with King County Executive Ron Sims a few days before his debate with the Reverend Hutcherson and I asked him to give his reasons for agreeing to the debate.

He said that he grew up in the era of the Civil Rights movement and that as a movement its goals of freedom from discrimination are ongoing. Simply put, he objects to what he sees as the coopting and narrowing of the civil rights movement by Reverend Hutcherson.

On Thursday evening at Town Hall in Seattle, Reverend Hutcherson and Reverend Sims met in what was billed as a debate but perhaps better resembled a collection of polarized and fearful townsfolk from Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible". The topic of the debate was:

"Is the gay rights movement the new civil rights movement?"

There were many of Hutch's flock seated around me. Some coiffed and spiffily dressed women seemed amused by the foray into what they saw as strange and unfriendly territory. As we waited for the event to begin they chatted with a brittle and slightly forced animation. Others were grim faced and anxious, as through they expected something terrible to befall them at any moment. Here are some observations and comment on the debate :

Discrimination
  • Hutcherson asked many questions designed to have Sims reconcile his religious life as a Baptist minister and his civil life as a leader and county executive.
  • Sims pushed on Hutcherson to have him explain why the protections he gains as an African-American and a Christian are allowable, and those recently afforded to gays and lesbians are not.
  • Hutcherson argued that the US is a Christian nation and that HB2661 is "making sin legal" and "Sin asking for equal rights". He also made the point what what the bible says is right, is right and that is the law that he holds to. (Reverend Hutcherson must be doing a masterful job of rationalizing the many things the bible says are right or wrong, but are considered either criminal behavior [slavery, polygamy, sanctioned rape and prostitution], outright discrimination [treatment of women and the poor] or plain non-sense today [prohibitions agains eating shellfish and mixing types of fibres in clothing].)
  • Sims talked about history and the founding fathers desire to be free from religious persecution rather than to engender it on a new continent. He also talked about the 1796-97 "Treaty with Tripoli" passed unanimously by the Senate whose article eleven states: "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
  • Hutcherson maintained that the majority rules and if you want to change the rules, change the majority.
  • Sims made the observation that the Civil Rights movement came into being because of the majority imposing it's will on a minority. He made the point that when Loving vs. Virginia was passed 70% of the US population where against Interracial Marriage.
  • Hutcherson talked about God discriminating and that is why some people will go to heaven and others to hell.
  • Hutcherson followed up "When we say all discrimination is wrong we are no longer living in a free society". (At this point there were a lot of confused expressions on faces around the room. The idea that there is a right to discriminate rather than a right to be free from discrimination is a startling one coming from an African-American)
  • Sims began to pose a hypothetical where the US has an Islamic majority and at this point the entire audience, who had been very vocal, became suddenly and unnaturally silent.
  • Sims asked whether it would be right for Islamic doctrine to become the basis for laws that would be imposed on Christians. (Again underlining the reasons for a civil society, freedom from religious discrimination, separation or church and state.)
  • Hutcherson claimed that homosexuality is a choice and that he knows many ex-gays. He also made a point about never having met any ex-blacks. He quipped that even Michael Jackson couldn't do it. (This argument is a complete red herring. It tries to establish that GLBT people don't deserve protection as a class because being who they are is a choice, is not genetic, is not immutable and can be concealed. Those with a religious or 'moral' basis to their argument fail to see that in explaining why this should disqualify gays and lesbians from protection, it also makes a compelling case for removing discrimination protection from other choice-based classes like religion. Regardless of whether membership in a class is chosen or inborn - it is the act of being discriminated against that validates the class as worthy of protection and not how you came to be a member of that class.)
  • Hutcherson also tried to make a point about God's will, natural desires, and sin that he stated several ways and made no sense to me, or others around me, so I wasn't able to capture his meaning in my notes.
  • Sims rebutted that there is ample scientific evidence for a genetic source of homosexuality. He stated vehemently that he believes people are born gay or lesbian, they don't choose it. (This line of argument is another red herring and does nothing to advance the discussion. I could argue that religion is a delusion brought on by man's psychological inability to deal with his own mortality, but that wouldn't change the fact that people are discriminated against because of their religion and still deserve protection).
  • Hutcherson asked Sims to produce the scientific evidence (While I would not have stated it as strongly as Mr Sims, there is ample scientific evidence to support both genetic and other biological reasons for homosexuality. The fact that it occurs thoughout nature as a natural variation is a clue. It's hard to provide the evidence onstage but here is a great source).
  • Hutcherson also stated that in 2005 there were only 8 cases of sexual-orientation based discrimination and that the only one that was proved had a heterosexual plaintiff. (He is correct on 8 cases in 2005 and I am waiting on fact checking information from the Seattle Office for Civil Rights, the source of these statistics, on his other claims. Rev Hutcherson has played fast and loose with these numbers before. He has previously claimed that there had been only 8 cases based on sexual orientation in 5 years when there were actually 69 such complaints. It is worth noting that in the same time there have been only 24 complaints based on religious discrimination and only 3 of them were from a Christian faith. Does that mean that we don't need discrimination protection for Christianity or religion any more? Does it mean that sexual orientation needs protection almost three times more than religion does? No, it means that Hutch just can't tell when his argument will ambush his own cause.)

Marriage

  • Hutcherson proposed the slippery slope argument that gay marriage "leads to beasteology" (sic) and polygamy. He raised an example of a man and his dog as a case in point (I am looking forward to hearing how he thinks any non-human could meet the burdens of being a person under the law, giving informed consent to marry, and sign the required paperwork).
  • Simms rejected that out of hand as an insulting and offensive argument.
  • Hutcherson claimed that changing marriage leads to the deterioration and fall of societies. He also claimed that marriage rates have declined drastically and out of wedlock births have increased by 65-70% in countries that have allowed gay marriage. (I have read studies that say exactly the opposite and I think realistically the jury is still out. However, it is worth noting that every great social change elicits this kind of fearful hyperbole including the example of Interracial Marriage. Decades later the sky has not fallen and Reverend Hutcherson himself has a German born wife).
  • Simms responded that the study Hutcherson was quoting had been broadly discredited as unscientific. (I believe that this story in The Weekly Standard discusses this study, and Andrew Sullivan comments here. I haven't been able to find the original data to examine, but at first blush it looks like many decades of social evolution in Scandinavia are conveniently being laid at the feet of Gay Marriage)

I know Goldy over at HorsesAss.org found the debate energizing, but with a personal stake in the outcome and so little attempt at a real rapprochement between the debaters I found it very unsatisfying. There is one comment Goldy made that brings us back to the opening premise of this post:

"I'd love to see both men get a chance to hone their rhetoric by going at it a couple more times, but if all Hutcherson has to back up his public policy is the Christian Bible, then he doesn't deserve having his public profile raised any further."

There is a point at which it becomes futile to engage with a person who denies the documented separation of Church and State, denies the evidence that the United States of America was not established as a "Christian" country, and denies the need for civil law as a meeting place for many philosophical, ethnic, religious, and ethical traditions to form a just and fair civil society.

The key learning for me in the debate is that separation of Church and State is the pivot on which all arguments turned. It's clear that without a civil society and civil law there is restricted freedom and little hope for minority rights of any kind.